tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post4926546950537294579..comments2024-02-20T19:58:27.733-06:00Comments on Jake's Wisconsin Funhouse: MMAC tries BS poll to sell magic Bucks arenaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-39929582283739848052015-04-28T19:13:50.369-05:002015-04-28T19:13:50.369-05:00The Milwaukee Business Journal is reporting on cri...The Milwaukee Business Journal <a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2015/04/28/polling-experts-question-objectivity-of-mmac-arena.html?page=all" rel="nofollow">is reporting on criticism of the MMAC poll</a>.GeoffThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17317722272565026078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-41049553408834790932015-04-28T14:23:20.864-05:002015-04-28T14:23:20.864-05:00Hi Jake, sorry, the comparisons were pretty satiri...Hi Jake, sorry, the comparisons were pretty satirical actually. I was just pointing out (perhaps a little too obliquely) that the "developments" that accompany sports venues never pan out well. If there is parking provided (because it is a huge revenue producer for the operator) then the developments are displaced to the far margins--no atmosphere or excitement--it limits development linked to the venue. If there isn't parking (like downtown basketball and hockey) the development would have come naturally, or is already present. So back to your point, tax-exempt status for the land is just a blatant windfall grab by those with political influence.Dr. Morbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348503465596808479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-78236415648792627812015-04-28T11:57:06.552-05:002015-04-28T11:57:06.552-05:00Doc- All good points. I will note that Lambeau and...Doc- All good points. I will note that Lambeau and Miller Park aren't the best examples for testing the "new stadium = development" theory because both sites have been around for 60+ years , and because both have the advantage of a huge parking lot for tailgating. Neither would necessarily apply here.<br /><br /> But as you mention, that reality also puts the whole idea of (tax-exempt) "entertainment district" into jeopardy, as the majority of bball and hockey season is in the coldest months of the year, so outdoor events really don't work well in conjunction to when the games will be happening. When the Brewers suck, you can at least tailgate at Miller Park (this seems to be the plan for this year), and that draws me in to Milwaukee from out of town during Summer. In mid-January when it's 10 degrees and snowing? Maybe not so much.Jake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-78576676563538314532015-04-28T11:37:20.309-05:002015-04-28T11:37:20.309-05:00Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I gave the editor ...Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I gave the editor of that site a heads-up on this, and I'm honored he printed it.<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.fieldofschemes.com" rel="nofollow"> Field of Schemes </a> in general I s a really cool site if you want to look at the issues surrounding new stadiums for sports teams. It has a perspective (the writers usually don't like the idea of public funds for stadiums), but it has a lot of interesting factoids and cuts through the BS very wellJake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-63406401612093296352015-04-28T09:08:32.050-05:002015-04-28T09:08:32.050-05:00Jake, you got cited in the Field of Schemes websit...Jake, you got cited in the Field of Schemes website as: "the Jake’s Economic TA Funhouse blog notes in an excellent summary of the conflicting polls,". Good job, you deserve the recognition.Dr. Morbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348503465596808479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-5522147045457552882015-04-28T08:48:24.166-05:002015-04-28T08:48:24.166-05:00Jake,
Glad you are bringing this material up, alt...Jake,<br /><br />Glad you are bringing this material up, although the weight of public opinion seems to be firmly against the plan and it doesn't look like the MJS can beat the drum loudly enough to excite people about giving taxpayer dollars to subsidize millionaires who work for billionaires.<br /><br />I have admit though the pictures sure are pretty, although I am struck with the fact that the pictures depict an audience dressed in shorts, t-shirts, mini-skirts and tank tops. Is there an extended NBA season that goes through the summer? I don't follow sports so I have to ask the question. Otherwise, this must be part of the crowd for one of the FOUR events that the Bradley Center normally attracts during the summer. Now that is impressive business plan if ever there was! So the pictures with the crowds and spot lights are going to happen four nights, one each month, during the summer…nice.<br /><br />So really this just boils down to: give money to build a sports venue for rich people so that they can impress their friends, sorry, I meant important customers (who will be getting "marketing expense" tickets that will be taken as deductible business expenses on their corporate tax returns).<br /><br />Also I decided to check on the vast entertainment complexes that have sprung up around other sports venues in Wisconsin. And sure enough there are two motor inns and a Buffalo Wild Wings near Lambeau Field (we'll talk about the Bret Farve steakhouse after the big kiss-and-makeup party in November), but Miller Park seems to have had little, if any, development (unless you count the class B office/industrial buildings south of the ballpark). So let's see the Brewers and Braves played there since the 1950s and there are industrial buildings, and the Packers have been there since the 1930s and there are two motels and some restaurants. Well these things take time (just ask Art Laffer).<br /><br />Dr. MorbiusDr. Morbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348503465596808479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-84800439968521714792015-04-28T06:09:36.598-05:002015-04-28T06:09:36.598-05:00I can't make that request, and I don't eve...I can't make that request, and I don't even live in Milwaukee. But you can contact an alder or County Board member, and see if they will do itJake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-82793329285996028282015-04-28T00:19:51.982-05:002015-04-28T00:19:51.982-05:00Thanks for your fact-based analysis! The City'...Thanks for your fact-based analysis! The City's Legislative Reference Bureau should do an update of their 2103 report on sports venues (which said there's no evidence of economic net gain). But I think mayor or someone might have to request it, and they don't want anyone to be confused by facts. They also don't want the finger pointed at them in case the deal falls thru (only because Bucks are not happy with all the freebies already being handed to them and expect an insane boondoggle..)<br /><br />Could you, as an academic, request City LRB to crunch specific numbers, or find info on numbers of existing downtown bars/restaurants, what it would take for this Arena District to succeed as a state-owned facility. Or other econ-related facts...What about impact of a state-owned "entertainment complex" competing with other tax-paying existing establishments? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3426800777521979578.post-45760370541911425212015-04-27T21:42:25.342-05:002015-04-27T21:42:25.342-05:00Hey, maybe instead of garbage polls and boondoggle...Hey, maybe instead of garbage polls and boondoggle packages, perhaps the pro-arena folks should prop up the Bucks team instead. Shocking win tonight to stay alive, with a young team going in the right direction Jake formerly of the LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15660401299391001751noreply@blogger.com